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- From: bthompx@es.co.nz (NeuroMancer)
- Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga,comp.sys.amiga.emulations,comp.sys.amiga.misc
- Subject: Re: There is *NO* Amiga....STOP IT NOW
- Date: 8 Mar 1996 07:38:31 GMT
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- James McArthur, regarding your message ' Re: There is *NO* Amiga....STOP IT NOW' -
-
- >: I fear that AT will make amigados dependant on custom hardware (as opposed
- >: to just being able to use it), and the amiga will be significantly
- >: over-priced all over again.
-
- >Could I suggest the UAE as a temporary solution??
-
- It's FAR too slow - 1/10th the speed of an amiga 500, and thats on a decent
- sparc or HP workstation. It'd be cheaper to just make the amiga than buy
- hardware fast enough to run it at a decent speed under emulation...
-
- But it is a hardware emulator. I'm talking about a port of amigados, inc.
- much needed enhancements. That way, no real speed loss. For backwards
- compatibity, you might have incorporated some parts of the amiga emulator.
- If it was me, I'd be content with source-code level compatibility, and the
- old software (with old os calls), would be recognised and run as a special
- case exe in a sectioned off piece of mem. Somthing like what OS/2 does with
- msdos programs... Plus a bit more amiga magic to make it all quite a bit
- nicer (perhaps the 'compatibilty module' would have a translator for
- converting interprocess comms, and mem calls ??? I'm not a programmer, just
- a dreamer :-) ).
-
- >: significantly better price/performance ? Or are we being lumped with a
- >: second generation dead end ?
-
- >Unlike the Intel Chips, the PPC is a true RISC CPU, not a combination of
- >both RISC and CISC design.. If the PPC can get its foot into the home PC
- >market, then there will be no stopping it. Maybe the Power Amiga will give
- >the chip that boost..
-
- In many ways, all of that does not matter. At the end of the day, it's how
- fast it goes, and for what price. Most other things can then be programmed
- around. An ideal cpu archetecture would be better, of course, but we have
- seen the PC repeatedly acheive through brute force what we do with finesse,
- and often they do it cheaper. Perhaps there is a lesson to be learbt there
- - not that we should opt entirly for brute force, but that if we can make
- it cheap enough and fast enough, combine it with the amiga's 'finesse', a
- few more of the modern philosophies, etc - we should be in a significant
- position of advanatge. We would have our cake, and eat it too. The PC has
- gone too far in the brute force direction, and have become reliant on it.
- We all know the fate of species that become too specilized, or too reliant
- on one particular resource or phenomena.... I am a firm beliver in taking
- your enimies best points and using them yourself, in a more creative way
- then they...
-
- RISC programs take up a lot of room in RAM and HD, I understand. Converting
- cisc to risc on-chip is not great in many ways, but does cut down the
- storage demands perhaps... Still, HD's and RAM are cheaper each day, and
- given a fast enough cpu, real-time compression of data could be fast enough
- and good enough to gain you more than you loose. It may also help certain
- types of hardware bottleneck... Perhaps a custom chip (DSP ?) could
- hardware the task.... A bit of cache ram here, a bit of off-the-shelf
- components there, a bit of hardware-assist compression there... Who knows.
-
- >: Perhaps amigaos could be made hardware independant ? Like, but better than,
- >: windoze NT ? So you could choose any hardware you like (not just ppc/68k) -
- >: as long as there were hardware 'modules' for it.. I think it could work,
- >: and be quite fast even. The key parts of the os (those used most often -
- >: inc. the 'virtual cpu') would be moved off into a 'hardware module', while
- >: the bulk of the OS would run as some sort of virtual CPU code. Just plain
- >: 68k emulation might do for the v-cpu, for a year or so...
-
- >Again, UAE. Sure it runs on UNIX, but it shouldnt be that hard to make a
- >port of it to run on other fast systems. I believe it can run on PC`s with
- >DOS, albiet a little slow.
-
- It's far too slow, by all accounts. It's really a curiosity. By the time
- the average person can afford a machine fast enough to run it, well be
- talking to computers, not programming them...
-
- >: What do you all think ?
-
- >I read somewhere the other day about the Be, "being technically the most
- >advanced home computer doesnt mean anything, if it doesnt sell, as in the
- >case of the Amiga"
-
- Commodore is to thank for that. I hate the top management more than even
- microslop, and thats no small claim :-)
-
- >Too true. What AT needs to do is advertise. After all, with the right
- >advertisements, people will buy anything.
-
- Only too true. Well, billy's got the rolling stones... Perhaps we could
- have Pink Floyd ?? :-) "All in all, your just a...nother brick in the
- wall...", along with a parody of windows boot up screen displayed in the
- background :-) Or maybe a bit of Iron Maiden ? :-)
-
- >Like Australians believing John Howard :-), or Multimedia PC's (oxymoron
- >of the century)
-
- :-)
-
- >: I hope amigaOS survives, but I am starting to think it won't, and I will be
- >: forced to use a less ideal computer os.. I am not sure AT has the smarts to
- >: outwit pope gates and his billions, or profiteer barons and their asian
- >: clone companies..
-
- >AT could always use those "Asian Clone" companies to make cheap Amiga's.
- >And if PPC takes off then the Amiga will end up being very cheap. Esp. if AT
- >just develop the OS, and leave the hardware to the industry, and CHRP etc.
-
- True, and just as you say. But are they smart enough ? That is the
- question...
-
- >: The emulator is a start, but I would like to see a proper version of
- >: amigados for all platforms. If Pope Bill can do it with a bloated windoze
- >: NT, I think AT can do it with amigados - even if it costs a bit of backward
- >: compatibility. Do we want amigados for a couple more years, or the next 20
- >: ?
-
- >No home OS will last the next 20 years.. Maybe not even UNIX..
-
- I begin to doubt it. people really do not like change, and vested interests
- want to keep the status quo....
-
-
- Maybe not 20 years; but some will get closer than others if handled
- right...
-
-
- ...... Brendan
-
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- "Occasionally my Universe intersects with Reality"
- - Thompson the Great, c.1996
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